In the Clinic with Camille

72 | Is it possible to sustain yourself with a clinical practice?

Welcome to this episode of "In the Clinic with Camille," hosted by Camille Freeman, a clinical herbalist and licensed nutritionist. In this episode, Camille addresses question from Katie about the feasibility of supporting oneself solely through a clinical practice.
Camille explores the realities of establishing a sustainable clinical practice, emphasizing that it often takes at least two to three years to achieve financial stability. She discusses the importance of having realistic expectations, the necessity of additional income streams, and the emotional and psychological demands of a full-time practice.
Additionally, Camille shares insights on the unique challenges faced by herbalists, including educating the public about the role of herbalists. She recommends essential reading materials, including "Heart-Centered Business" by Mark Silver and "Radical Healership" by Laura Mae Northrup, to support practitioners in their journey.
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71 | Your Regularly-Scheduled Business Breakdown

If you stay in practice long enough, you'll have a business breakdown. These are periods where you're rethinking or restructuring at the highest level. During this time, things can get worse before they get better. In this episode, Camille discusses the inevitable disruptions that occur when you make big changes and shares her personal experiences of navigating a challenging time. She offers insights into how to manage these periods of upheaval and come out stronger on the other side.
Please note that Camille mentions a video podcast, but this is not happening for now :). It was an ill-fated experiment. 
Key Points:
Introduction to the Episode (00:00:01)
Understanding Disruptions in Clinical Practice (00:00:39)
Having a full business breakdown is never fun, but it's something you can count on every few years.
Navigating the Breakdown (00:02:11)
An example from Camille's most recent business breakdown; perspective can help. It's okay and normal for this to happen, and you can get through the seemingly unending bits and pieces.
Tips for Managing Business Tasks (00:04:24)
No one feels fully prepared to deal with business disruptions. Keep a list of what needs to happen. Check things off. You'll get through it eventually whether you stress about it or whether you don't stress about it. Get help if you're stuck.
New Podcast Platforms (00:08:06)
The podcast will (hopefully!) be on YouTube as well as the standard podcasting platforms going forward. Check it out and let me know if you see it there!
In summary: Business disruptions are normal and you can manage them. Really.
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70 | Knowing when to be done with an herbal formula

When a client's taking an herbal formula that seems to be resonating with them, they'll often want to know how long they should plan on continuing with the formula.
When I first started practicing, I'd often give them a semi-standard answer centering around herbs taking time to work, guesstimates based on previous clients, etc. Since then, I've found an approach that feels more aligned with the way I want to practice, which I've described in this episode.
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69 | What to do when your marketing isn’t working

When it feels like nothing is making a difference...
Especially when you're getting started, it can feel like you're working and working and working, and you still don't have any clients. 
This is very common, and it's very disheartening. 
In this episode, I'll share a few different things to consider when you're in this place. 
My biggest suggestions are to 1) recognize that it's okay to feel this way, 2) take an open-eyed look at whether you've actually done absolutely everything, and 3) try something else for a while. 
I hope you find it helpful.
Remember, if you're stuck: get help. Ask an accountability partner, check in with a former classmate, set up a chat with a mentor (or join Monday Mentoring!).
Don't try to go it alone 💚
Resources you might find helpful if you're stuck with your marketing: 
How to find clients without social media (webinar; free!)
How to use classes & workshops to build your practice (webinar; free!)
Discovering Discovery Calls (workshop; $39)
5 ways to find a new client (webinar; $39)
How long does it take to find enough clients? (practitioner note) 
Identifying your core values: In the Clinic with Camille episode #9
The Grow Course (8-week online course; $395; take after you've been in practice at least 1 year)
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68 | Herbs and Other Strategies to Support Sleep with Maria Noël Groves

In today's episode, I'm delighted to interview Maria Noël Groves about her new book, Herbal Remedies for Sleep, and how the book applies to our work as clinicians. Listen in for thoughts on nervines, when to refer out v. when to try DIY or gentle sleep support, distinguishing between 'gentle' and 'strong,' and more.
Links to Maria's work & website
Buy Herbal Remedies for Sleep (and get 10% off of any of Maria's classes/class series) and a bonus online sleep course
Follow Maria on Instagram
Learn from Maria and sign up for her newsletter at Wintergreen Botanicals
 

67 | Ember Peters, Stascha Stahl & Vilde Chaya Fenster-Ehrlich on their Advanced Clinical Herbal Skills Program

This week, I had the pleasure of interviewing Ember Peters, Stascha Stahl, and Vilde Chaya Fenster-Ehrlich about their upcoming Advanced Clinical Herbal Skills program.
The program looks awesome. I'd like to take it, and I probably would if my fall wasn't so chaotic.
Whether you're interested in furthering your clinical skills or not, though, I encourage you to listen to the episode (or read the transcript linked below) for the discussion about what it takes to create spaces where healing is possible for people from oppressed and overlooked communities.
It's more work than most of us realize when we're starting out as practitioners.
We need to constantly examine/reexamine our own assumptions and practices in order to become better at the work we do.
It's hard to do this alone. Being part of programs and showing up in spaces where others are engaged in this type of work speeds up the process and makes it possible to see things in ways that weren't accessible to you before.
Whether you join a program like this or not, I think listening to this conversation will serve as an important call to continue your growth as a person and as a practitioner.
I left this conversation feeling inspired. I hope you do, too.
Warmly,
Camille
Resources
You can learn more about Ember on their website: Wild Current Herbalism or connect with Ember via Instagram
You can learn more about Stascha on their website: Bay Area Herbalist or connect with Stascha via Instagram
You can learn more about Vilde on her website: Wild Cherries or connect with Vilde via Instagram
Learn more about the Advanced Clinical Herbal Skills Program
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66 | Branding and Websites with Lindsey Freeman and Julie Goldberg

Branding and Website Design Isn't Easy
Many practitioners spend a lot of time, energy, and sometimes money trying to cobble together a website and professional brand as they're just starting out.
This isn't usually the best choice.
You do want to have a brand, but it's also important to understand that your practice will evolve in unexpected ways over the first few years.
If you spend a lot of money creating a brand and website before you've seen many clients, you'll likely need to change it all later.
You want to be spending your time finding clients, getting the foundations of your practice set up, and actually working with clients, rather than stressing over building the perfect website yourself.
In this episode, brand designer Lindsey Freeman (no relation!) and therapist Julie Goldberg share more about the website templates and other resources they've created specifically for service providers, as well as tips on branding and getting started with your practice.
I highly recommend starting from a template if you're experiencing website anxiety or if you're finding that creating your website is holding up your practice.
It's affordable, it's easy (or at least easier!), and you'll be able to move on to the many other things that need to happen to get your doors open.
Resources
Learn more about Julie & Lindsey + view their templates and other resources on their website: Premade (use code BLOOM for 15% off 🌻) and don't forget to check out their free Brand Therapy Guide (note that these links are no longer working 🙁)
Connect with Julie & Lindsey via Instagram
Previous "In the Clinic" episode on website perfectionism
Research other brands you like, and use them as inspiration for look & feel, colors, photography, and language. Everything you’re interested in is a reflection of you.
Canva
Adobe Color has premade color templates put together
Pinterest
Typewolf, type combinations
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65 | Behind the Scenes at HerbRally with Mason Hutchinson

I was so excited to interview Mason Hutchinson, the founder of HerbRally. Herb Rally is a platform for herbalists and herbal enthusiasts, including event listings, a podcast, and a YouTube channel.
Mason shared talked to us about the origins of HerbRally, from its humble beginnings as an event listing website to its expansion into the robust platform that we see now, including monographs, a daily podcast, a YouTube channel, and the HerbRally Schoolhouse membership area.
He discusses the challenges of work-life balance and financial pressures while giving us some insight into how he and Amanda, his wife and business partner, approach marketing and promotion with an emphasis on authenticity and service to the community.
There's a lot to learn from this "behind the scenes" interview, whether you're just starting your own herbal business or whether you're a bit farther down the road.
Resources Mentioned
You can learn more about Mason on his website: HerbRally. Here's the list of virtual events or search by state for in-person events. Here's the HerbRally list of online herbal schools, or you can Submit your events to HerbRally
Connect with Mason on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube
The marketing resources Mason mentioned: Colin & Sameer, Nick Nimman, Noah Kagan Presents podcast
In the Clinic episodes on my email list experiment & on the power of showing up
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64 | The Power of Accountability Groups: Insights from Carolee, Linnette, and Amy

In this episode, I'm joined by Carolee Horner, Linnette Johnson, and Amy Boldt, who share their experiences with forming and attending an accountability group over several years. They highlight the value of accountability groups, emphasizing how they provide support, inspiration, and a sense of community for practitioners. In this episode, you'll learn more about how accountability groups have helped them overcome challenges, redefine success, and grow both personally and professionally.
As you may know, I'm a huge fan of accountability groups. They're helpful at any stage of your career, and I truly encourage you to explore different groups and find one that resonates with your needs - or start one, if you can't find one that suits you.
Amy Boldt
Amy is a clinical herbalist and herb farmer from Westminster, MD; her practice specializes in sleep and anxiety-related disorders. She is also a registered yoga teacher and Reiki practitioner, which assist in helping her clients find relief. Amy grows many of the herbs that she uses with clients on her farm, which focuses on sustainability and protecting at-risk native medicinal plants.
Amy attended the Maryland University of Integrative Health and graduated in 2014 with a Master of Science in Therapeutic Herbalism. She loves teaching workshops, guiding plant walks, and getting out in the woods to reconnect with nature. Her farm is on the United Plant Savers's registry as a botanical sanctuary, so when she's not working with clients she is maintaining her forest farm and homestead.
You can learn more about Amy on her website: The Wild Woman Medicine
Connect with Amy via her private Facebook group for women called Herbs for Rest and Relief: A Women's Group
Carolee Horner
Carolee Horner is a functional nutritionist and health coach in Atlanta, GA. She works with people with Parkinson's and their care partners to reverse symptoms and slow progression. She utilizes holistic approaches to promote gut and brain health that work for the entire family.
She has been awarded a Master's degree in Integrative Nutrition from Maryland University of Integrative Health and is a nationally board certified health and wellness coach. She is a member of the Advisory Council for The Center for Movement Challenges, a non-profit promoting holistic approaches to Parkinson's disease, with a special emphasis on boxing.
When she's not in the clinic or teaching, she enjoys being mom to 2 incredible kids, cooking, camping, and gardening. Laughter is her medicine.
You can learn more about Carolee on her website: Carolee Horner
Linnette Johnson
I am the founder of 5 Elements Coaching and a Clinical Nutritionist + Coach for mental health. I am passionate about supporting adults with sobriety, depression, and anxiety, along with relieving fatigue, skin issues, and body aches & pains associated with mental health through healthy eating and developing a better relationship with food, mind, and body.
Throughout the years, my business has grown, but my focus has always remained consistent; helping and supporting people through body-positive weight-neutral restorative therapies.
You can learn more about Linnette on her website: 5 Elements Coaching
Connect with Linnette via Instagram,

63 | Burnout and self-care with Gina Badger

In this episode, herbalist Gina Badger joins us to discuss their experience of burnout and some strategies they've put in place to provide a bit of breathing room. Systematizing and automating processes, revamping communication policies, and clarifying language in intake forms and cancellation policies helped create more room and attend to bigger things. Gina also highlights the importance of prioritizing time and energy, as spending excessive time on emails can contribute to burnout. Towards the end of the episode, Gina shares about their upcoming offering for care workers, which includes short appointments spaced a month apart and a herbal formula to support recovery.
About Gina Badger
Gina Badger is a clinical energetic herbalist who offers care through their multidisciplinary clinic, Long Spell. Their lifework is contributing to a collective vision of holistic health care that’s equally heartfelt and irreverent, down-to-earth and visionary, gentle and rigorous.
Gina's primary herb teachers are Karyn Sanders and Sarah Holmes of the Blue Otter School of Herbal Medicine and Colleen Emery. Before pursuing herbalism as a career, they worked as a visual artist and editor for over a decade, having earned an MSc in Visual Studies from MIT (2010) and a BFA in Studio Art and Art History from Concordia University (2008).
Gina is a nonbinary femme of mixed Western European ancestry born in Treaty 6 territory and currently living on the unceded territories of the Musqueam, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh nations (Vancouver, Canada). You can find Gina at https://longspell.com or on Instagram: @longspellclinic
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